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		<title>By: Ron U</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron U</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Short story, I think you&#039;re right.

Long story....see below....

&quot;The Persuit of Happiness&quot; is a phrase which has value because it is contained within the founding documents of the USA.  Understanding the extent to which it is possible, or not, requires some level of understanding of where the phrase came from.

Thomas Jefferson &quot;came up&quot; with that slogan as a replacement for &quot;PROPERTY.&quot;

You see, the true historic philosophical founding father of the USA is John Locke:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Locke

He wrote that every man has the right to, &quot;Life, Liberty and the ownership of property.&quot;  When the founding fathers were creating the USA, they (especially Thomas Jefferson) took the political philosophy of John Locke almost word for word.  But they substituted &quot;Persuit of happiness&quot; for &quot;Ownership of property&quot; because they weren&#039;t quite sure about the ramifications of using the original wording.

The result is that we have this nebulous idea known as &quot;The American Dream.&quot;  Some of the lucky ones who experience it got there through property ownership.  Others by inventing something.  Others by making wise investments in the stock market.  Still others by building a business.  And, there are even those who got there by engaging in illegal activities, like the Kennedy family or the Sopranos(fictional example).

Consequently, to fully understand WHAT this phrase means, we need to go back to the original text of Locke, which will describe how an individual can combine effort with natural resources (which are unlimited according to Locke, both physical and metaphysical) to create something of value for himself.

Unfortunately, the reason why you are right is because the founding documents lack clarity in these regards.  Therefore, upon further evaluation of the phrase &quot;Persuit of happiness&quot; we are left hanging to a certain extent.

R/U&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Short story, I think you&#8217;re right.</p>
<p>Long story&#8230;.see below&#8230;.</p>
<p>&quot;The Persuit of Happiness&quot; is a phrase which has value because it is contained within the founding documents of the USA.  Understanding the extent to which it is possible, or not, requires some level of understanding of where the phrase came from.</p>
<p>Thomas Jefferson &quot;came up&quot; with that slogan as a replacement for &quot;PROPERTY.&quot;</p>
<p>You see, the true historic philosophical founding father of the USA is John Locke:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Locke" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Locke</a></p>
<p>He wrote that every man has the right to, &quot;Life, Liberty and the ownership of property.&quot;  When the founding fathers were creating the USA, they (especially Thomas Jefferson) took the political philosophy of John Locke almost word for word.  But they substituted &quot;Persuit of happiness&quot; for &quot;Ownership of property&quot; because they weren&#8217;t quite sure about the ramifications of using the original wording.</p>
<p>The result is that we have this nebulous idea known as &quot;The American Dream.&quot;  Some of the lucky ones who experience it got there through property ownership.  Others by inventing something.  Others by making wise investments in the stock market.  Still others by building a business.  And, there are even those who got there by engaging in illegal activities, like the Kennedy family or the Sopranos(fictional example).</p>
<p>Consequently, to fully understand WHAT this phrase means, we need to go back to the original text of Locke, which will describe how an individual can combine effort with natural resources (which are unlimited according to Locke, both physical and metaphysical) to create something of value for himself.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, the reason why you are right is because the founding documents lack clarity in these regards.  Therefore, upon further evaluation of the phrase &quot;Persuit of happiness&quot; we are left hanging to a certain extent.</p>
<p>R/U<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Charlie B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 14:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The pursuit of happiness is absolutely possible. The question is can one grasp it?&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pursuit of happiness is absolutely possible. The question is can one grasp it?<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: xxxx</title>
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		<dc:creator>xxxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happiness can come from the pursuit of happiness. by following our dreams and going after the things we want, we can gain fulfillment. often the people who are least happy are the ones who go through the paces, never really reaching for a goal. people really only need to feel loved and fulfilled, so they can be happy. even if true love doesn&#039;t exist, the feeling of being in &quot;love&quot; can be enough to satisfy us.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happiness can come from the pursuit of happiness. by following our dreams and going after the things we want, we can gain fulfillment. often the people who are least happy are the ones who go through the paces, never really reaching for a goal. people really only need to feel loved and fulfilled, so they can be happy. even if true love doesn&#8217;t exist, the feeling of being in &quot;love&quot; can be enough to satisfy us.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: me2</title>
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		<dc:creator>me2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>happiness happens when you are busy doing good  things&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>happiness happens when you are busy doing good  things<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Timaeus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timaeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happiness is only accomplished in the fullfillment of the purpose of a human nature in accord with virtue.  Despite all the variations in personality and disposition, we all share a common human nature.  Happiness is not about mere emotional satisfaction or positive feelings.   

People who struggle with addictions are not happy, they are under the influence of some substance that creates an artifical sense of euphoria. 

It seems that you are confusing happiness with the belief that people have some kind of right, guaranteed by law, nature or a God, to do whatever they want-- and that engenders neither freedom nor happiness, it just makes people miserable.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happiness is only accomplished in the fullfillment of the purpose of a human nature in accord with virtue.  Despite all the variations in personality and disposition, we all share a common human nature.  Happiness is not about mere emotional satisfaction or positive feelings.   </p>
<p>People who struggle with addictions are not happy, they are under the influence of some substance that creates an artifical sense of euphoria. </p>
<p>It seems that you are confusing happiness with the belief that people have some kind of right, guaranteed by law, nature or a God, to do whatever they want&#8211; and that engenders neither freedom nor happiness, it just makes people miserable.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: megan</title>
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		<dc:creator>megan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dont think that happiness is really that impossible to pursue, its people that are so impossible. No one is ever happy with anything or anyone anymore. If you think about it...have you ever thought, if only I had that I would be SOOO happy, got it and a day or so later your not that happy about it anymore?? People take everything for granted and I think that Americans these days want EVERYTHING in order to be happy, and arent happy unless they have it all without boundaries.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dont think that happiness is really that impossible to pursue, its people that are so impossible. No one is ever happy with anything or anyone anymore. If you think about it&#8230;have you ever thought, if only I had that I would be SOOO happy, got it and a day or so later your not that happy about it anymore?? People take everything for granted and I think that Americans these days want EVERYTHING in order to be happy, and arent happy unless they have it all without boundaries.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: zingis</title>
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		<dc:creator>zingis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:51:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As tough as governments, financial institutions and war mongers and can make it, happiness is still possible.

Because happiness is largely a choice. They can&#039;t get in our heads unless we let them. As I&#039;ve said in many other questions, Bangladesh a few years back, scored highest in a survey on happiness world-wide. And Bangladesh is far from the wealthiest country in the world. Money helps, but it&#039;s not the be all and end all. 

And even in the most oppressively ruled countries in the world, people find ways to have happy moments in their lives. It isn&#039;t easy, but it is achievable.

Peace&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As tough as governments, financial institutions and war mongers and can make it, happiness is still possible.</p>
<p>Because happiness is largely a choice. They can&#8217;t get in our heads unless we let them. As I&#8217;ve said in many other questions, Bangladesh a few years back, scored highest in a survey on happiness world-wide. And Bangladesh is far from the wealthiest country in the world. Money helps, but it&#8217;s not the be all and end all. </p>
<p>And even in the most oppressively ruled countries in the world, people find ways to have happy moments in their lives. It isn&#8217;t easy, but it is achievable.</p>
<p>Peace<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: LVM</title>
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		<dc:creator>LVM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at the nature of your question: The PURSUIT of happiness. The pursuit of happiness has nothing to do with the means in which one may choose in finding happiness, it is our right to look, search, and investigate happiness albeit legal or not. Therefore the pursuit is always possible; attaining happiness is an all together different process.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at the nature of your question: The PURSUIT of happiness. The pursuit of happiness has nothing to do with the means in which one may choose in finding happiness, it is our right to look, search, and investigate happiness albeit legal or not. Therefore the pursuit is always possible; attaining happiness is an all together different process.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Malcolm D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Malcolm D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have the right to &quot;pursue&quot; happiness. You do not have the right to happiness. Supposing the only thing that would make me happy was to have sex with any girl I saw.
Now I have a right to woo any girl (pursue), but I don&#039;t have the right to have sex with any of them, so that means I don&#039;t have the right to happiness, right?
The pursuit is possible, happiness however may not be.
What that means is that we all have the right to look for the things that make us happy (within the boundaries of law).&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have the right to &quot;pursue&quot; happiness. You do not have the right to happiness. Supposing the only thing that would make me happy was to have sex with any girl I saw.<br />
Now I have a right to woo any girl (pursue), but I don&#8217;t have the right to have sex with any of them, so that means I don&#8217;t have the right to happiness, right?<br />
The pursuit is possible, happiness however may not be.<br />
What that means is that we all have the right to look for the things that make us happy (within the boundaries of law).<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: zeni</title>
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		<dc:creator>zeni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I agree vwith you. Since theres no one way of finding happiness, and everyone finds it in different ways, then theres no way the government can promise sometihng like that.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I agree vwith you. Since theres no one way of finding happiness, and everyone finds it in different ways, then theres no way the government can promise sometihng like that.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Uncle Al</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pursuit is all you get.  Government exists to hybridize the Red Queens race and Zeno&#039;s paradox.   Productivity performs counter to acquisition.  Those who ride for free on both ends of the spectrum steal it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pursuit is all you get.  Government exists to hybridize the Red Queens race and Zeno&#8217;s paradox.   Productivity performs counter to acquisition.  Those who ride for free on both ends of the spectrum steal it.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: kermit</title>
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		<dc:creator>kermit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its not impossible. I&#039;d say MOST people don&#039;t kill other people for fun. I think that is not that layman&#039;s definition of the term and that the founding fathers didn&#039;t mean it to over ride any other laws of the land (such as don&#039;t kill people!).&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its not impossible. I&#8217;d say MOST people don&#8217;t kill other people for fun. I think that is not that layman&#8217;s definition of the term and that the founding fathers didn&#8217;t mean it to over ride any other laws of the land (such as don&#8217;t kill people!).<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Jessica</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Happiness is condition based.  You can have everything you could want and still be unhappy.  You make your own happiness.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happiness is condition based.  You can have everything you could want and still be unhappy.  You make your own happiness.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: pillabrut</title>
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		<dc:creator>pillabrut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For someone people maybe the pusuit of happiness is impossible provided that the things you listed are all that could make them happy.  Then there are people who are unable to experience pleasure, I feel sorry for these individuals.  For the rest of us happiness comes when you are no longer pursuing it. :)&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For someone people maybe the pusuit of happiness is impossible provided that the things you listed are all that could make them happy.  Then there are people who are unable to experience pleasure, I feel sorry for these individuals.  For the rest of us happiness comes when you are no longer pursuing it. <img src='http://www.veryeasydiscipline.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> <br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: frikkiebotes</title>
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		<dc:creator>frikkiebotes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you believe it is ,then it is.If you believe that you can be happy then you will be .Dont look at others for your happiness.and dont think that killing is the norm.Killing is a desease brought on by unbelievers&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you believe it is ,then it is.If you believe that you can be happy then you will be .Dont look at others for your happiness.and dont think that killing is the norm.Killing is a desease brought on by unbelievers<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: Amanda B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amanda B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting.  I never thought of it that way.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.  I never thought of it that way.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>By: sly_2314</title>
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		<dc:creator>sly_2314</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 08:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Is the Pursuit of happiness impossible?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think it is.
.As American you have the right to ‘Pursuit Happiness’. Problem with that is, everyone is different. Despite we are all 99.9 percent alike. We all have different perspectives of happiness. Some find killing, doing drugs, drinking, and dying happiness. But that’s illegal isn’t it, so the pursuiting happiness is impossible.
Okay i&#039;m adding to this because I just thought of something.

Okay so maybe some people find happiness, but that&#039;s a very low percentage.  But what i&#039;m saying is, it&#039;s near to impossible to truely have a life of happiness. Because  of the laws that we  have. I&#039;m not saying I want the laws to be changed. And being a killer isn&#039;t a disease. Because if you think about people in gangs their not metally challenged or something. MOSt are sane, their killing people because of the infulences of others.  But yea I personally think that not everyone can pursuit happiness. And that&#039;s everyones falut((THINK ABOUT IT)). Mostly the gonverment. World hungry *cough* Proverty *cough cough*.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Is the Pursuit of happiness impossible?</b><br />I think it is.<br />
.As American you have the right to ‘Pursuit Happiness’. Problem with that is, everyone is different. Despite we are all 99.9 percent alike. We all have different perspectives of happiness. Some find killing, doing drugs, drinking, and dying happiness. But that’s illegal isn’t it, so the pursuiting happiness is impossible.<br />
Okay i&#8217;m adding to this because I just thought of something.</p>
<p>Okay so maybe some people find happiness, but that&#8217;s a very low percentage.  But what i&#8217;m saying is, it&#8217;s near to impossible to truely have a life of happiness. Because  of the laws that we  have. I&#8217;m not saying I want the laws to be changed. And being a killer isn&#8217;t a disease. Because if you think about people in gangs their not metally challenged or something. MOSt are sane, their killing people because of the infulences of others.  But yea I personally think that not everyone can pursuit happiness. And that&#8217;s everyones falut((THINK ABOUT IT)). Mostly the gonverment. World hungry *cough* Proverty *cough cough*.</p>
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